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iamacooldude
Thu Sep 14 2006, 04:56pm

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 I was very excited today to see what had improved in PPL since that last beta(which I still have ) The excitment wore off, though, when I would it full of problems. I'm sure most of these are because it is JUST out of beta and has not been tested much outside the company. The first thing is a log file I saved when trying to run VFB. THe second, a picture, is a screenshot from my PPC of an error while opening the Editor. This is all in the Lite vesion.(wanted to check it out before commiting money)
Hope these are easily fixable!
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iamacooldude
Thu Sep 14 2006, 05:02pm

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 huh? It doesn't look like it attached my files.
Here they are hosted elsewhere.


Image: http://i10.tinypic.com/35cj59v.jpg


Error log dump:

Welcome to the PPL Console


PPL 1.0 Lite Compiler Error Report

error: (\storage card\arianesoft ppl\vfb\VFBHelper.ppl) [Syntax error at 'PTINRECT' (404,9)]
error: (\storage card\arianesoft ppl\vfb\VFBHelper.ppl) [: or , expected at ')' (404,27)]
error: (\storage card\arianesoft ppl\vfb\VFBHelper.ppl) [Syntax error at ')' (404,27)]
error: (\storage card\arianesoft ppl\vfb\VFBHelper.ppl) [Syntax error at 'PTINRECT' (410,9)]
error: (\storage card\arianesoft ppl\vfb\VFBHelper.ppl) [: or , expected at ')' (410,27)]
error: (\storage card\arianesoft ppl\vfb\VFBHelper.ppl) [Syntax error at ')' (410,27)]
error: (\storage card\arianesoft ppl\vfb\VFBHelper.ppl) [Syntax error at 'PTINRECT' (417,9)]
error: (\storage card\arianesoft ppl\vfb\VFBHelper.ppl) [: or , expected at ')' (417,27)]
error: (\storage card\arianesoft ppl\vfb\VFBHelper.ppl) [Syntax error at ')' (417,27)]
error: (\storage card\arianesoft ppl\vfb\VFBHelper.ppl) [Syntax error at 'PTINRECT' (424,9)]
error: (\storage card\arianesoft ppl\vfb\VFBHelper.ppl) [: or , expected at ')' (424,27)]
error: (\storage card\arianesoft ppl\vfb\VFBHelper.ppl) [Syntax error at ')' (424,27)]
error: (\storage card\arianesoft ppl\vfb\VFBHelper.ppl) [Syntax error at 'PTINRECT' (431,9)]
error: (\storage card\arianesoft ppl\vfb\VFBHelper.ppl) [: or , expected at ')' (431,27)]
error: (\storage card\arianesoft ppl\vfb\VFBHelper.ppl) [Syntax error at ')' (431,27)]




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kornalius
Thu Sep 14 2006, 05:29pm


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 The VFB on the PocketPC hasn't entirely been finished for release unfortunately. We will release an update early next week. The Pro version (which I worked with for testing) definately runs VFB fine.

We'll test with the Lite version tomorrow to see if it is the problem. I don't think the person who developed the VFB has ran PPL in Lite mode ever. We might have to limit some of the functionalities of the VFB in the Lite version.
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iamacooldude
Thu Sep 14 2006, 05:42pm

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 also, a little off topic, but could you explain more about or show a "screen capture video" about how the game designer part of PPL works. I would like to know before I decide about buying and you can't test it in the lite version. I like the event handlers now, though. I was able to easily write events for my controls(in PIDE on the PC) I also found out that I can't use PPL(not PIDE) on the PC at all. Any item I try to launch(like VFB or Editor or Console or Anything, basicly) will not launch and doesn't show up on either log or screen.

EDIT: Almost forgot, on the Tools on the main screen of PPL on the PPC, there are no icons, unlike the PC version.

[ Edited Thu Sep 14 2006, 05:46pm ]
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kornalius
Thu Sep 14 2006, 06:56pm


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 I will post a few screenshots tomorrow. The game designer is used just like the form builder. Youcode events the same way, properties are edited the same way, etc... If you like the PIDE form editor you'll love the Game Level Designer.

It supports multiple maps, you can goto any map at any time. Map #-1 is the global map. The global map objects are loaded when the game starts and are never unloaded. It's good to put the main character or objets you want to stay loaded during the whole duration of the game.
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kornalius
Thu Sep 14 2006, 07:06pm


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 On the PC, you launch PPL.EXE right?

I just installed fresh and it's working. The editor, main, console, etc...) The VFB is not compiling because of the fast that it doesn't work in Lite just yet.

The icons in the Tools have a tendancy to disappear sometimes. It's something I will look into later, not very important for now.

I just noticed the installer doesn't create a shortcut for the PIDE, neither the help file or the PPL program.

I will repackage the whole thing tomorrow and re-release with a few bug fixes.
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iamacooldude
Thu Sep 14 2006, 07:39pm

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 here is a video of my problem. If you have questions, just ask me.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4050706907464227821
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mmtbb
Thu Sep 14 2006, 09:25pm
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 Did you fresh install? I would take the version of ppl when in beta, change the folder name, and intsall a fresh copy os PPL.
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kornalius
Thu Sep 14 2006, 10:10pm


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 iamacooldude,

Can you tell me how you make these cool google videos? I think it would be very neat to show PPL in all it's glory and even have tutorials in videos.
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iamacooldude
Thu Sep 14 2006, 10:16pm

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 I tried again after a fresh install(I found out the uninstaller doesn't delete everything, it leaves alot of .ppl files behind like main.ppl)I still can't run the editor or compiler NORMALY(key word). I found I could run the files by opening them in the run menu.(I think this was possible before, but didn't try) So I decided to try to use the main menu to Edit->Select->and selected any PPL file. It gave me this.

Image: http://i9.tinypic.com/3y2bqfn.jpg

The rest of the Pocket-PC version "works"(after reinstall) even though the VFB doesn't, but kornalius said it doesn't work right now till he patches it.
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mmtbb
Thu Sep 14 2006, 11:07pm
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 The Install does have a few very slight problems, but I think Kornalius will have them ironed out in no time. Alain, I was able get everything to work fine.
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kornalius
Fri Sep 15 2006, 12:19am


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 Wow iamacooldude, this is really strange.

I will have to obtain more info about your install files and machine info. You are using Windows 2k and over right?
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kornalius
Fri Sep 15 2006, 06:57am


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 I just tested a fresh install and everything works fine here.

The files the uninstaller leave behind are new files (.ppc) files generated by the compiler and not the ppl files (.ppl) like you've mentionned. The uninstaller doesn't know about these files therefore cannot delete them.
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iamacooldude
Fri Sep 15 2006, 07:18am

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 Okay, to get videos on Google Video, just make sure you have a Google Account(or Gmail account) Then on the google video homepage(video.google.com), there should be an upload video button.(ask more about this if it is unclear)
I am not at my home computer right now, so I will send you some specs on my computer( and ppc if you want) later today. Lastly, I think it was .ppl files, but may have been .ppc. Good Luck!
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kornalius
Fri Sep 15 2006, 07:20am


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 The problem with the Editor on the PocketPC is also fixed. The installer was missing files in the Menus\.

If you want to test it out, just copy the C:\Program Files\PPL\PPL\Menus folder to your PocketPC's \Program Files\PPL\Menus.

This should do it.
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kornalius
Fri Sep 15 2006, 07:21am


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 iamacooldude, how did you make the videos in the first place, what program did you use?
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kornalius
Fri Sep 15 2006, 07:23am


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iamacooldude,

To try to fix the problems on the PC not being able to run programs in PPL. Try deleting all the *.ppc files you find in C:\Program Files\PPL\PPL\.

Edit:

I figured out your problem. The source .ppl files are not there anymore. Make sure the default installed files are all there.

C:\PROGRAM FILES\PPL\PPL\Editor\Editor.ppl
C:\PROGRAM FILES\PPL\PPL\Console.ppl
etc...

PPL won't run them and won't do anything if they are none existant.

I just got the same problem playing around with a copy of mine that doesn't have the editor, if I click the editor button, it ask for the filename and then give me this:

error: [Syntax error at 'C' (1,1)]
error: [Syntax error at 'PPL\PC\RUN\EDITOR\EDITOR' (1,3)]

I know editor.ppl is not existant.



[ Edited Fri Sep 15 2006, 07:31am ]
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iamacooldude
Fri Sep 15 2006, 03:03pm

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 do you mean record viseo on the Pc or PPC? I used "Wisdom-soft AutoScreenRecorder Free" for the PC and used "VH PocketPC Capture" for the PPC.
I have the Editor.ppl file in the editor folder. I t may be causing the same error as if it doesn't exist, meaning ppl may not be able to "see" it.

I have W2K(SP4) for PC, AMD Athlon XP 2400+, 512MB RAM, ATI Radeon 9200 Anything else there? PPC is Dell Axim X30 Advanced 624mhz, 64mb ram, ppl is on storage card, wifi/bluetooth, and QVGA. Anything else on the PCC?
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kornalius
Fri Sep 15 2006, 04:36pm


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 Thanks will try it out.

Make sure editor.ppl contains something. This could be it.
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iamacooldude
Fri Sep 15 2006, 05:58pm

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 It does contain something:49.3kb of stuff. Which, when opened in notepad looks like this code:

[see attachment]
EDIT: what's with attachments not working? Here is the file from my 4shared account. http://www.4shared.com/file/3755298/24a68d55/editor.html


Are there any other files that could prevent it from launching?

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iamacooldude
Sat Sep 16 2006, 10:47am

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 Thanks for the 1.01! It seems to fix all the problems I had(or could remember).
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kornalius
Sat Sep 16 2006, 11:21am


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 Glad it did. We are building up a list of things to fix for 1.02 which should be coming out next week.

PPL is a huge program. There can be so many possibilities to run into problems in a programming language, there are so many areas to cover.

I can assure you it is going to be rock solid very soon.
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